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FCW Insider: What's the point of security certs?
Posted on Friday, 10 April 2009 @ 23:12:43 EDT
Contributed by cdupuis | Topic: CISSP In the Press

FCW Insider: What's the point of security certs?

As seen at:  http://fcw.com/blogs/insider/2009/04/fcw-insider-security-certification.aspx

We have heard from a number of readers who see little value in requiring cybersecurity workers to have security-related industry certifications.

They were responding to our report about a Senate bill that would require contractors to license and certify anyone providing cybersecurity-related services to a federal agency (you can read the story here).

Several of these readers are not impressed specifically with Certified Information Systems Security Professional (CISSP) certifications. But certification, in general, is a bit of a red herring they said, because it does not reflect work experience, which is more valuable than test experience.

So we can't help but wonder: What is the point of certification? How can federal agencies ensure that their cybersecurity staffers, and their contractors' staff, have the right skill sets?

Meanwhile, here are excerpts from the comments we've received.

* I've been certified since 2003 and have contact with many "certified" folks who have no experience with actual skills on the job. The cost of getting certified is high for both individuals and companies, yet the government still wants to award to the low bidder. Companies can't afford to spend a lot of money and not get a return on their investment in the people. It is also very difficult to retain trained 'professionals' no matter if they are trained while under government sponsorship or by their company. There is a lot of job hopping to increase salaries without remaining long enough to actually learn/perfect skills or truly contribute to the agency's mission.

* If they are going to have certifications, then it should be a mix of the software vendors' certs, i.e. Microsoft, Cisco, Vmware, and then maybe a security cert. It's clear the government doesn't understand technology best practices. Which is why, military included, we get hacked by countries like China, N. Korea etc.

* Not another one. I have three masters, MIS,FWU, ISS- EMU, Nation Security, Navy War College, PMP-GW, Boot Camp, ISC2, 25 years of IT/ISS experience...yet not qualified. It is all about the $$$$$. This is a monopoly and employees should protest about this. I have fired more CISSPs. Passing a test means nothing. Before you know it, you won't need degrees, just paper certification.

* This sounds like the DOD Information Assurance initiative, which is nothing more than a memorization effort in order to pass a test that on average has little to do with what a person does on a daily basis. Vendors selling these classes are getting rich and taxpayers don't see any measurable benefit to it. It just looks good on a resume to have these certifications. Doesn't make anyone smarter if they do not have experience to begin with.

* Great. Another worthless paper certification. And I include CISSP in that. Took me 45 minutes to parse the exam questions for the correct answers to pass that test then ISC2 wanted "maintenance" fees throughout the 3 year certification period. Those fees were not disclosed when I got the CISSP cert. Now I have to pay the "overdue" fees to re-certify since the 3 years ended. WTF? ISC2 is just about the money and they are going to exploit this one for all it's worth.

Posted by John S. Monroe on Apr 06, 2009 at 12:31 PM


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Re: FCW Insider: What's the point of security certs? (Score: 1)
by ChristianReina on Sunday, 12 April 2009 @ 22:42:51 EDT
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Very interesting opinions; however, I do not think professionals will discredit experience and education. There should be a balance where an individuals experience takes an important role and their personal development shows a commitment to a challenging profession. This development should include education and certifications appropriate to the experience of such individual.

just my .02

 




Re: FCW Insider: What's the point of security certs? (Score: 1)
by dickinsonsk on Monday, 13 April 2009 @ 09:07:43 EDT
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For the commenter who posted the "45 minute and passed the CISSP" remark. Yeah Right! So on average you spent about 5 seconds to read the question and 4 answers and then transpose the correct answer to the answer sheet? Please! Your incompetence shows! You are probably upset because you actually spent the full six hours and barely passed after multiple tries - a much more likely scenario. I have met both certified and non-certified individuals who were inexperienced. It is up to the hiring manager to look at the resume and the certs and come up with the right questions to determine if the individual is qualified. A lot of the employees I have worked with the certified folks usually fell into one of 2 camps. Those who were required to get the cert (and held a grudge for being have to be made to do it) and those who wanted to better themselves to advance. So if I were a hiring manager I would find out which camp the interviewee was in and hire the ones who showed iniative to get certified.




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Overall look at different professions. Police Officers, MDs, CPA, Lawyers, Teachers, Pilots, Auto Mechanics, etc.... The list is huge. These professions require education and usually a professional certification.
Why should supporting a network, computers and security be any different than any other professional career. I have degrees. I have several certifications. I think if someone is truly a professional, then one would obtain a college degree and secoundly a person would obtain professional certifications to complement their experience and interests. Overall I think it shows initiative and professional growth of the individual. Yes, there are good certified people out there and bad certified people. And yes there are good certification training programs and there are bad. Sometimes you have to make the extra effort, do the research and choose what is right for you. Security certifications should be required as this should be treated as a professional function. And any other training or special skills should be sharpened in addition to just getting certified. The learning never ends.

 




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